Build 119 is live!

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I'm not so keen on the Wine Cellar aspect and the tiny fame bonus for gear.

It'll be cool to see how it works on a larger scale in production though.

Change isn't always bad.

Ok, so I'm really exited

Ok, so I'm really exited about everything, but you should be able to get your own stuff after dying.

Oh...great...er...

There has been quite a bit of negative feedback from the testing thread...has this been considered?

@Mcbeth

Yep pretty much the same here at a skull I did primary if not all damage on. Nada.

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Exists for 2 mins? realy? Its going to be hard to make a private run

I fear change instead of

I fear change instead of embracing and making the most of what it that I can, and I think that whining, complaining, and insulting is a logical way to communicate with the developers of this game. I do not like this new production build, but I trust the people who created the game. I am glad you get to see your ideas in action. You have taken the time to make a fun game. Thank you!

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Huzzah for more sb's. Too bad I couldn't sell my inc in time, looks like I'll have to hang on until it becomes worth something again.

Crunchy please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Crunchy I need you to specify how to make soulbound items public please specify by email if possible FYI: riza_alir@yahoo.com thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with all except.....

I dont agree with the graves not containing items, If anything you should make it to where you get to pick one item out of your grave upon death and depending on the tier you should be awarded fame at death for cashing in the items

Also, the high level sb thing is bad...its bad enough drops are at a low rate, if anything makes sb requirements for lvl 20 only

@ Prog Ace

I second that!!!!!

My Negative Feedback

Maybe this is just the Update Rush, or the update in general

1 Events

The amount of Masses at events make it tougher for ppl to even get SB damage in, Let alone get a drop. i have done 5 events. 1 DROP.... Probably not even worth the time doing them anymore just dungeon hunt.

2 Wine Cellar

I believe you have gone about this the wrong way.
you wanted to stop people abusing the system and using many alternative accounts.
then you should have changed the drop rate of incs or the t12/t6 items.

People only did private events because they spent 20+ defence pots on an inc because they are rare and needed to go for the attempted 22 soulbound bags for a 80% chance at a drop

Would people have spent 20 defence. for others to ruin their trip. and not even get a 5% chance at a drop.

If incs was more common say a 10% drop then Public Wc's i would agree with as then there would be a bigger abundance of incantions to use willy nilly.

What, are you implying 4 days

What, are you implying 4 days isn't enough time to test out a completely redesigned gameplay mechanic?

Don't worry that it's a perma-death game, and that any bugs in the code may result in the loss of months of work. I'm sure it's all fine!

No more icors?

Either there is a bug that makes them non-obtainable or are there really rare now?

Edit: scratch that, there only obtainable buy killing the queen spider. Ugh...

Another Big problem

Also this is a big problem for me and probably for many others. People who've hoarded up incs are pretty much now virtually poor in this game. In my opinion I think inc prices should stay the same at around 20-25 def.

what are the 3 damage sb level ?

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dont worry inc price will drop

@c++

ah yeah. Forgot about that detail :>

But you're right, everything was normal back then (except for the range) like 4% pot drops. Using bows was heaven at that time too... when it got piercing that's it (after just a little while of testing, nothing immediate)

I miss a point on the list

When Chedd introduced those changes to us in his first post he promised better dropping rates for pots, untiered weapons and other items. Did they change?

i like

i like

no more graved:
no more people that say "#@#@# you took my staff, Give me back"
amd i that try to explain that no this is my staff that i found/buy etc...

only soulband
i can pickup 2 def at 2 penta, 1 griffon at oryx with all calm, no run, only mine, no other can pick up etc
aahhhh finally

dont undestand why low items in sb ? imo it's a error

Bar too low

I was stoked for the changes brought up a few weeks ago. Now that they are in place my concern of too low a bar for sb items has been realized. I mean come on, Mith Chain does not need to be sb. Also I see you failed to implement the higher drop rates mentioned. I feel let down by the changes promised/suggested and the ones actually put in place.

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@Kable: I agree with you on the range nerf. You had your HorseThors and what not completely freaking out, but once people got used to it, it's been fine. As for the new means of loot accrual (sb changes + no gravelooting), I think we'll have to suspend judgement to see the effects on the economy and gameplay. (We no longer can see loot tables, so we don't know what changes were to drop rates and stuff.) Anyhow, I'm interested to see how we all adapt to the changes. Then, given reasonable feedback, what further changes come down the pipeline from the devs.

@the devs: <3 for the hard work

@the players that contribute in-game and on forums: <3 for the commitment and involvement

You are the brain and heart, respectively, that makes this body of RotMG functional.

devs, you want less players?

If yes, than you are on best path.

WTH

i wanted the pot rates NOT THIS

@Kable and McFarvo

sure, you can say the range nerf buffed ranged classes, but thats not why it sucks. It sucks because it turned godlands from a fun place to farm into a boring area that you can get pot drops.

Honestly it seems the game gets easier and easier and the devs keep catering to the whiners.

We need new drop tables

SB Wand of Death from a Skull- Nothing from a Pent tower I killed all by my self!

At least do a 75% SB drop of SOMETHING!!!

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Are the drop rates ever going to be posted?

@Crunchy

Why would anyone post comments, bugs etc to this thread when most valid complaints or comments aren't responded to or even addressed as to why they weren't taken into account? Here's a few questions I'd like to see answered, Crunchy.

1) Where are the higher pot drop rates one of the devs mentioned they were working on? Do you agree with most of us who believe there is too much grind in this game now?

2) You (devs) want support classes to have a chance at gear. What about warrior and pally? You just turned them into mainly support classes at the new event boss, oryx 2 (See my posts in the 119 testing thread). And the only support knights have to offer is moral support (stunning 1 minion is not support). And we already know that most knights are evil tele-looters with no morals. They can't even offer moral support!

3) Where are the new drop tables for events and dungeons? Wasn't it mentioned that you wanted to make all items more common? What about the drop rates of the untiereds, have they changed or not?

Ignoring thought out comments and criticisms is not a good way to keep your player base. I've bought 15 character slots, all vault chests and plenty of effusions, keys and dyes. I'm pretty sure I'm your dream player, I see this game as entertainment and I shell out money for it regularly. And you're ignoring the living shit out of me, along with everyone else with the same questions. Please respond to me.

I like most of the upgrade

No more being bullied out of Oryx because people want an invite only wine cellar option. Forcing them to open the cellar now makes the game a real game for everyone. People tend to hoard the keys and most never seen the wine cellar but now have a chance.

Any owner of a grave should have a chance at recovering their stuff. This is awesome anyway and will stop people from tawnting others they have their stuff but some that actually collected the loot and gave it back to the owner is gone. Double edged sword in this case but I like it.

I am not alone when I mention bringing back more stat pot drops more available. Some on here get pots regularly while others very rarely.

All in all though, I love it and can't wait to see how people re-act to the changes. Of course noobs just joining the game from this point on will never know the difference and they'll just love it I'm sure.

BUFF EVENTS

There are waaay too many people killing events in like 1 second, please devs, boost events.

@wuv

Regarding the wc event, I have seen where as people who want to unlock the wc, they bully people out of oryx, this is a public game for everyone not just them.

Perhaps they should come up with a different key that can be opened anywhere like other keys or event keys, not just in Oryx for the clicky groupies that want just their few friends to join.

Imo I like it that incs are worth nothing.

Good job devs.
Although I'm not too sure on the events from what ive heard. I'll be on in 3 hours to test it out.

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-1 for so many things being soulbound
+1 for Bag art
+0 for Gravestone loot (indifferent)
+0 grenades
+0 work conditions
+1 anti-spectator
+0 fame bonus
+1 gold
+1 penta
-1 nexus bug
-1 Winecellar
Netting about a +1 for the build. I should permit for -10's for that wine cellar, shouldn't I?

Thank you for new art; thank you for bug fixes; I don't see why everything needs soulbound when the classes were more plentiful and played more skillfully without them (healing classes in particular);no ty for turning the only end game dungeon into an event. That is all.

Wow.

Wow. Now the 'character is dead' bug is fixed. RIGHT AFTER IT HAPPENED TO ME!!
BTW what is soulbound?

@Indes

Boosting events is awesome when the servers are busy with high level players, what happens during quieter times? Not everyone will want to fight longer to the end though.

Not my area anyway, as a necromancer I don't plan on fighting certain gods like cubes and skulls anytime soon. lol.

Wine cellars:

Sure, there's more items now (I just picked up staff and robe back to back), but they're boring as fuck. With forty to sixty people in there, it's just another Oryx 1 - he gets steamrolled, and there's no skill or thinking involved.

Of course, sitting around multiboxing with 20 accounts isn't exactly fun either. So there needs to be a solution that eliminates multiboxing, but without eliminating private cellars. Because I'm pretty pissed that it's going to be about a thousand times as hard to organize our Bulwark WC run now.

A last word

Well played devs :

There is no coop game at all, you just ruined everything. I'll make it chronological :

First you have your level 1 char : Your goal : level 20.

What it should be ( if rotmg was a real coop game ) :

Great adventures through hard quests when you have to build a good team ( combine priest and melee class etc ), farming low monsters for hours giving few xp, soloable long quest giving more xp, more variety of dungeons etc...

What it's actually :

Asking for high level items in nexus, rush quests for 15 minutes, up level 8, go in low godland, up level 12 and follow players in godland to reach level 20. cooperation : 1/20

Second : Maxing your char.

What it should be ( if rotmg was a real coop game ) :

Large dungeons actually requiring SKILLS to progress, must have a good team. High drops at the end ( like 5 or 6 pots each ). Or for solo if your teammates are not connected, events. Not boring events, hard events.

What it's actually : farming weeks in godland with shitty drops rate, weird spawning monsters, no skill demanded. Or dungeons. Oh okay i know what's the strategy to battle septa or limon.. and then it's boring. Or events. Well you can't loot anything on events now, i tried tonight, the rate risk/reward is just... funny. Alone...

This is same for gear, maybe worse.

When you're 6/6 :

What it should be ( if rotmg was a real coop game ) :

Unique dungeons, FUCKING HARD ONES. More ponctual events for the bests.

What it's actually : Fame. And when you see bulwark giving less fame than exa vit... well don't want to debate.

Before this update : 40% of fun when you played with some nice people + funny wc runs with friends. 15% of skill. And i'm generous. 5% cooperation. Reward : 85%

After the update : 15% of fun wwhen you played with some nice people. 15% of skill. 0% cooperation. 25% reward.

The problem is : You can master the game solo if you want to. And this a big problem.

I know it's not easy but please some people out there got great ideas ! listen to them !

well good night and good luck.